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Scott Harrison, a photographer, shares his journey of discovering photography later in life and how it has become his passion and career. He discusses his approach to photographing landscapes, waves, and surfers, and how he balances his love for photography with his love for surfing.

Scott also talks about the importance of having a mindset that allows for financial freedom and the ability to make choices. He shares his experiences of traveling in Southeast Asia and how it influenced his perspective on wealth and financial security.

Scott emphasizes the importance of being present and embracing the unpredictability of photography and surfing. In this conversation, Scott Harrison discusses the importance of observing moments in more detail and being present.

He shares how photography has helped him develop a different mindset and appreciate the finer things in life. Scott also talks about the skill of being present and the challenge of finding the right balance between being present and being aware of potential dangers. He then discusses his passion for teaching photography and how he developed online courses to share his knowledge.

Finally, Scott reflects on the impact of technology and social media on our lives and the importance of navigating the digital age with intention and awareness.

Takeaways
  • Discovering a passion for photography can happen at any age and can lead to a fulfilling career.
  • Balancing personal interests, such as surfing, with photography requires prioritization and flexibility.
  • Having a background in sales and marketing can be beneficial when starting a photography business.
  • Financial freedom allows for more choices and opportunities to pursue passions.
  • Being present and embracing unpredictability are key to capturing meaningful photographs. Observing moments in more detail can lead to a different mindset and a greater appreciation for the finer things in life.
  • Being present requires slowing down and being aware of the present moment.
  • Finding the right balance between being present and being aware of potential dangers is a skill that can be developed.
  • Teaching photography and sharing knowledge can be a fulfilling way to help others and contribute to the community.
  • Online education provides opportunities to connect with people from all over the world and share knowledge.
  • Navigating the digital age requires intention and awareness to avoid being overwhelmed by technology and social media.
  • Parenting in the digital age involves finding a balance between keeping children safe and allowing them to live their lives independently.
  • Imposter syndrome should not hold you back from sharing your knowledge and experiences with others.
Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:05 Discovering Photography

06:12 Photographing Local and International Locations

08:01 Approach to Photography

10:06 Balancing Photography and Surfing

12:21 Starting Photography Later in Life

15:07 Applying Sales and Marketing Experience to Photography

17:22 Dealing with Rejection and Fear

19:02 Year in Southeast Asia

25:21 Perspective on Wealth and Financial Security

30:36 Choosing Freedom and Options

35:25 Unpredictability and Presence in Photography

36:48 Observing Moments in More Detail

39:15 The Skill of Being Present

41:09 The Importance of Intentional Time

43:20 Teaching Photography and Sharing Knowledge

48:19 The Power of Online Education

52:27 Navigating the Digital Age

54:38 Parenting in the Digital Age

54:57 Imposter Syndrome and Sharing Knowledge

Full Transcript

Greg Finch (00:02.334)
Scott, tell me where are you right now? Where are you recording from?

Scott Harrison (00:05.804)
Yeah, so I'm in a little town called Newcastle in Australia. So yeah, on the east coast of Australia. So yeah, we're about two hours north of Sydney, which is probably the city that most people would know. Yeah, and I live in a little, I guess a beachside suburb called Merriwether. So Merriwether beach is the spot where I live.

Greg Finch (00:26.174)
How long have you been there?

Scott Harrison (00:28.558)
Um, so I grew up in Newcastle, um, in this, like in this area. Um, but then, yeah, when I was sort of in my twenties, I moved to Sydney for a real job, so to speak. So I used to work in the sales and marketing world. Um, and so, yeah, I went and did the city life for about 10 years and, um, yeah, then just got sick of, got sick of the concrete buildings and needed to be back on the beach. So, um, yeah, where I grew up, I was literally like a straight back from the beach. So like my whole childhood was basically spent on the sand and in the water.

Um, and yeah, when I was away from it for too long, I just needed a, needed a shift and wanted to come back. So yeah, ended up back here, which is amazing. All my family's here and yeah, cause I grew up here. So, um, yeah, it's, um, yeah, it's amazing spot.

Greg Finch (01:11.71)
It's one of those nice things too, when you are able to be in a beautiful spot, to be able to leave it. It's like that appreciation of that, like knowing what else there is and being like coming back to it at this other point in your life. Like that's very much kind of like I'm on the central coast of California, like our daughter's, you know, born and raised here. And we, as much as it hurts us to think, oh, she's go somewhere else. You really want that for them because to make it back here, then they go like, ah, okay.

Scott Harrison (01:18.636)
Yes.

Scott Harrison (01:28.972)
Mm.

Greg Finch (01:40.734)
I see what this really, how special this place is. Yeah.

Scott Harrison (01:41.174)
100 % totally yeah and that happened so much with traveling as well like once I sort of got into my 20s and I started like all I wanted to do was travel and you know go and see places and so I spent a lot of time like overseas spent some time in the States but spent a lot of time in Europe and then even like in Southeast Asia and when you're reading you know back then the Lonely Planet guides and they're talking about all these like amazing beaches that you're going to and like you go there which is supposed to be

the best beaches in the world. And you're like, I literally live on a beach that's way better than that. We're super lucky in Australia with the coastline, everything that we have. And it's exactly that. Like you kind of, you go away and you realize, wow, there's not really that many places that match up to where I actually live. So yeah.

Greg Finch (02:26.526)
Yeah. And it's that's that's such the key of it. I mean, it sounds so simple, but it really is about its perspective. I think that's why, you know, as surfers, we inherently travel. You know, it's it's something that we just do for part of this love that we have. But you really want to like you, you want to be able to convey that to people that don't like all interact. Like this is a pretty small town where I am, too. And it's like you'll talk with somebody and they'll be complaining about something. And you can just hear in their tone, you're like.

Scott Harrison (02:42.67)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (02:50.572)
Man.

Greg Finch (02:55.614)
Oh, you haven't left in a while. Like you really need to go see some other things to come back. Like that won't bother you anymore at all.

Scott Harrison (02:57.774)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (03:01.614)
Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Greg Finch (03:05.694)
So how long have you been doing photography in general? Was it something that started really young in your life and then kind of pursued more as you went into it? Like how did that path into this art that you do start?

Scott Harrison (03:21.646)
Yeah, no, it's really interesting. Like it definitely wasn't an early on thing at all. So growing up, I was just all sport. Like I thought it was gonna be a professional soccer player growing up. That's all I did like every weekend, like all the time. Like that was like my whole thing. And yeah, it's funny. Like it's because I've chatted to a couple of people, I've got this weird recollection that now I kind of look back on and make sense of, but I, I didn't kind of know at the time, but I used to always, cause as I said, like I lived at the beach, I was like bodyboarding kid. That was like my thing.

when I was younger, but I'd still always watch surf movies. So you'd have like VHS tapes of like, you know, Kelly Slater, black and white and sabotage and all those old school surf movies. And I'd watch them on the TV and have the remote. And then every time they do like an air or whatever, I'd pause and I used to be fascinated. I'd sit there for hours in front of the TV and I'd be like pausing the video and I didn't even know why it was just something that kind of like fascinated my mind. And I thought it was just a fun thing to do, but like looking back on it, I guess.

later in life when I picked up photography, I feel like there was just something that I was kind of like, I just love capturing those, like split second, like still moments in time that you can't see with your eye unless you freeze it. And yeah, it's fascinating to think back on that because I distinctly remember doing that like all the time. And maybe that's just a bit of a weirdo, but it must have been my earlier desire for photography. But yeah, I really I mean, I always had a camera like through as I said, through traveling, like I traveled a lot in my 20s, early 30s kind of thing. And

I always had a camera and I always loved the idea of capturing shots of places that we went and everything, but it was never really something that I thought was like a serious thing at all. And it was probably when we moved, finally moved back to Newcastle. So yeah, I kind of got, you know, sick of living in the city. Me and my wife, my wife now at the time, moved back to Newcastle and the first, like we moved back basically near like the same sort of area where I grew up. And so we're close to the beach.

And the first morning we woke up and we'll finally back near the beach. There was this amazing sunrise, like bright pink sky and everything. And I just remember it coming through the window and we both kind of woke up and look out the window. I'm like, Oh, we're back on the beach again. And like just ran straight down. I took my camera down, took some photos of the sunrise and some waves. I can't even remember if the surf was good that day, but I just distinctly remember that. And I'm like, Oh, I'm back here now. I'm going to just start doing this every day. Like this, this has to be my life now. Like I can't, you know, not make use of the fact that.

Scott Harrison (05:45.454)
we're in this amazing spot again. So I literally just started going down and just taking photos like every morning with once again, like no intention. And yeah, I guess it was just all that combination of like being back near the beach, always had a love of waves, surfing, bodyboarding, whatever it may be. And it all just started to blend together and yeah, just became obsessed with it. Started learning everything I could about it and it just sort of, yeah, it's progressed through. Yeah.

Greg Finch (06:12.958)
has a, is a majority of the shots that you take and obviously just some proximity when you're at home, do you do a majority of your shots are right within your geographic area? I'm sure you travel and I'm sure you do other things, but do you find that the majority of that is there?

Scott Harrison (06:30.062)
Yeah, yeah, too.

To a degree, yeah. I mean, when I was first shooting, it was literally just going to my same local beach every day, because I was just learning how to use a camera. So I was just kind of photographing the same thing, coming home and like looking at the photos, looking at the settings and like, why did this one work? Why didn't this one work? Watch some YouTube videos, learn a bit more. So it wasn't even so much about the location at that point. It was just learning how to like take a good photo. And then since then, yeah, I mean, where we are here, we're sort of lucky in the sense of even in my vicinity, there's...

lots of different breaks. So I can get variety within, you know, 15 minutes, 20 minutes from a house. But also if you go even just an hour north or south of where I am, it's just like a whole coastline of surf breaks and different little inlets and different backdrops and you know, different types of breaks. So yeah, there's some spots that are like surfing waves, there's some spots I got really into like backwash kind of photography. So we're like, you know, two waves come together and they sort of explode up in the air.

And there's a couple of spots about an hour from a house here where like there's that happens, which is incredible as well. And so I've got a bit obsessed with that and started chasing that. And yeah, so we're super, super lucky. Um, you can travel anywhere up and down the East coast of Australia and find different spots, but, um, majority would be here. And then, yeah, me and my wife have got really into traveling back and forth to Indonesia. So, um, we go over to Bali a lot. And so I shoot over there a lot as well now.

Greg Finch (08:01.822)
Yeah. And how do you kind of split through for straight landscape and oceanscape and surf specific individual, you know, people that you're connecting with and getting shots of them, like, are they very distinct? Like today I'm really going to shoot just oceanscape and I'm going to just get the energy of the ocean. And today I'm going to be...

Scott Harrison (08:21.132)
Hmm.

Greg Finch (08:29.118)
filming this break and getting shots of this particular athlete. Like, do you go into it that way or is it just kind of, let me see what today brings.

Scott Harrison (08:36.14)
Yeah, it depends. It's a funny one. So I think like anyone, when you first pick up a camera, you tend to the obvious first lessons that you find shooting landscapes, that just seems to be sort of what's out there. And when you learn all of your basic photography, like rules and everything, it's sort of all comes from landscape photography. But I feel like I've probably taken that a lot into, like my surf wave ocean photography. So I kind of tend to maybe like I call it like surf scape. So

Basically, I feel like I look at shooting waves and surfing almost with the mindset of a landscape photographer, but with the wave or the surfer as the subject. So a lot more wider scenes, looking for backdrops, looking for foregrounds, that kind of thing, rather than it being very much just zoomed in on the wave. Now, once again, there's times like there's, it depends where it is. Generally when I'm at home, I'm always looking for that more landscapy style of shot.

The way usually in my mind, I'm thinking about it is more, I'm just thinking about the image being a print on a wall rather than maybe the cover of a magazine, if that makes sense. So, yeah, if it was printed out big, you can kind of see all the detail and everything in the scene. But yeah, then there's times when I go over to Indo and I'll work with some of the local guys over there, getting some shots for them, for their sponsors and stuff. And if the surf's really good there and sometimes like we're out on a boat and you're looking like straight into a barrel, then you're trying to get as much detail as you can, like.

cropped in so like at least you can see a few stickers and that kind of stuff. So yeah, it definitely depends on the on the time but um, majority of the time if I'm shooting for myself, I'm looking for something a little bit wider and thinking like how can I make this a print?

Greg Finch (10:06.622)
Yeah.

Greg Finch (10:18.046)
So here's this interesting question that always comes from my surfer's mind, right? It always comes to like, I just went on a retreat recently down to Mexico and there was a full -time photographer and videographer shooting that also surfed of course. Like he was there as a job and I asked him the same question which I'm gonna ask you. When it's firing and your skill set is a photographer, how do you balance that?

Scott Harrison (10:22.734)
Mm -hmm.

Scott Harrison (10:37.454)
Yep. Yep.

Greg Finch (10:44.478)
How do you balance doing that and knowing like, okay, I'm gonna maybe get a few at the end, or maybe I won't get any. Today I need to really commit to this. Like, how do you balance that out?

Scott Harrison (10:53.614)
To be honest, yeah, it's a funny one. But to be honest, since I've picked up photography later, like my, as a photographer, I'm still like a frothing grom, like I'm checking surf line and checking forecasts and all that sort of stuff in exactly the same way as a surf. Now I guess to take that back, like I can't surf surf to save my life. Like I grew up as a bodyboarder and I did that a lot when I was younger, but like, yeah, now I'm like basically wholly like a photographer.

Greg Finch (11:15.71)
Gotcha.

Scott Harrison (11:21.102)
and then maybe like jump in and go for a swim kind of thing. But yeah, I have the same froth levels and the same excitement when I'm looking at forecasts and studying them for it to be the same way a surf would want for the waves to be. But yeah, it's funny because I teach a bit of photography and I've met some surfers along the way that have come to learn, they want to learn how to use the camera for the same reasons you're saying. They're like, well, if I'm going on surf trips all the time, I may as well take a few good photos when I'm there.

And then they all end up the same way. If they're pure surfers, they're just like, well, if it's any good, I'm never going to be taking photos. I'm going to be surfing. And then the only time that I'd take photos is when the surf's not that great. And I'm kind of exactly the same. I'm like, if the surf's that good, I definitely want to be capturing it. So it kind of, it's sort of, yeah, it would probably be more difficult if I was just had the same like intensity to want to surf. You know what I mean? And I was a really good surfer. Like it would probably be more difficult, but for me, I'm definitely the photographer in that.

Relationships are, yeah, it's not too bad.

Greg Finch (12:21.598)
It's interesting how the idea of coming to photography as the craft later in life, and now obviously you're a professional and coming to that, there's something to be said about it being a little bit later and still having that excitement and that sense of discovery and expanding, because I've known a couple other professional photographers that not so specific, but.

Scott Harrison (12:40.332)
Mm.

Greg Finch (12:47.838)
you know, they got to a very, very high level and they still do it professionally, but it's very much like, this is my job. Like, you know, like I, they could still be learning of course, but it's very much like, you know, they it's, they've done it for so long that it's hard to keep that excitement. So that's probably something like how old were you when you really started getting back and when you moved back, when you really started getting into photography, how, how long ago was that?

Scott Harrison (12:55.724)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (13:04.494)
Yep. Mmm.

Scott Harrison (13:15.31)
Yeah, so it's really only like five or six years ago. So I was already like little like mid thirties kind of thing, like 34 kind of 35 that kind of age. And yeah, it's a really, it is a fascinating thing because it's similar to, so my wife was a school teacher. And then around the same time as like I left a corporate job. And basically what happened is around 2015, 2016, we went traveling for a year. We're just like, let's just leave our work. We're going to go backpack for a year around Southeast Asia and just kind of figure out life kind of thing.

And we came back and I'm like, I'm gonna be a photographer. And she's like, I'm gonna be a Reiki healer, meditation coach, and that kind of thing. Because it's just some stuff she'd found along the way. And yeah, it is fascinating because now we're both at an age where you can probably approach it in a business sense with a lot more life skill and knowledge. You know, I mean, not you're not starting out trying to start a business as an 18 year old, but it's with the like excitement and energy of like,

something that you do when you're younger kind of thing. It's almost like people do something they love until they get to a point where they're like, I've got to be sensible now and get a real job. And we kind of had real jobs and now we're being the nonsensical ones. So yeah, it's super interesting for sure. Yeah, but and it's definitely helped like, that's the thing with I mean, there's so much stuff when you're doing photography as a business, like photography is one of those things that yeah, there's a skill set to it, but it's becoming like you've still got to have the eye but I guess with equipment and everything things are becoming easier and easier to

get a sharp photo and that kind of stuff. So the, to be able to make a business out of it, there's a lot more elements to it than just being able to take a photo. And I think that's what's been interesting about coming to it after having experience in, you know, the real world and having a real job for so long and that kind of thing, you can bring a lot of those like life skills into it. And that's probably why it's been able to kind of take off and progress a little bit quicker, maybe than it would have.

Greg Finch (15:07.71)
Yeah. Having that, that sales and marketing experience and being able to apply that to something that you're really passionate about. That also feels like having that aspect of your career as a positive component to it, like the choice to step away from it. But then like you develop this skillset and now I'm applying it to something that I'm really passionate about that. That's gotta feel pretty rewarding.

Scott Harrison (15:08.718)
Mm. Mm.

Scott Harrison (15:14.476)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (15:29.902)
Definitely. It's amazing. I mean, that was the whole reason that I sort of got jaded on it. Like the corporate work was, I mean, you sort of like I grew up in that era where, like, you have parents where all they think is just go to university and get a job, go to school, get a job, you know what I mean? It's like the whole, you know, like I didn't grow up in a social media world, that kind of thing. So the things that people can do now, like, you know, podcasts where you can talk to someone the other side of the world, I mean, like that sort of stuff didn't exist then. So I did that. I went to uni, got a degree, went and got a job. And, um,

But yeah, the reason that I kind of got to the point was I'm well, I'm kind of I'm good at my job, but I'm just selling stuff for a company that doesn't care if I'm here or not really at the end of the day, you know what I mean? Like I enjoyed the job and I enjoyed my boss to everything. But I just, I know that the day I left and went and did something else that they just find someone to replace you. So you're not really doing anything that's kind of fulfilling. You know what I mean? You just earning a living. And so that's why both of us like left what we were doing to try and.

do, you know, to try and create a business of something that we love. And, um, but yeah, without that a hundred percent, like that's, you especially that sales and marketing background and being in a position like when you're in, when you're in sales, like you just get used to hearing no. Right. And that's one of the biggest things in business. You know what mean? When you're trying to put your stuff out there, the biggest reason probably people wouldn't pursue like a passion as a career is because of the rejection that may happen early on when maybe people don't get it yet, or you're trying to do something and you know what I mean? But.

I'd gone through that training for, you know, 10 years, 15 years, whatever. So that part of it doesn't faze me. So now I'm just like, I know if I just keep pushing forward and just be consistent and just keep reaching out and just keep, you know, emailing another 20 people that, you know, eventually someone's going to say yes, and then you're gonna work and then you're gonna, you know, so yeah, definitely 100 % without that, I don't think I could be doing. Yeah, what I'm doing now for sure.

Greg Finch (17:22.654)
That skill set is so priceless. That idea right there is something so universal that we repel against, which is this idea of rejection. That we take it, we internalize it and make it so personal. That's what's so interesting about that is picking up the phone with the idea that I'm going to hear no more often than I'm going to hear yes.

Scott Harrison (17:25.676)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (17:33.774)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (17:44.75)
Mm. Mm -hmm.

Greg Finch (17:46.59)
and to still be able to do that, like that never changes. Like the feeling of that, that there's something very evolved and protective for survival of that idea of rejection, right? We want to be included. And so to be able to have that and keep pushing forward, that's it. It's powerful.

Scott Harrison (17:50.956)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (17:56.012)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (17:59.662)
Totally.

Scott Harrison (18:03.502)
Hmm. Yeah, 100 % Yeah, yeah. So um, yeah, and it's this, I mean, it's the same with like, my wife's business. So she's like a kind of a, I guess, like a women's wellness coach, rakey, healer, that kind of thing. Now, if she didn't have her career beforehand, then she wouldn't really have as much stuff to talk about. You know what I mean? It's like, it feels like you go on social media now. And there's like, you know, 18 year old life coaches trying to sell the business. And it's just like, it doesn't make any sense. Like living a life before, like helping people with it.

You know, just, yeah, just, yeah, it's really helped us both. So yeah, no, it's, it's really cool.

Greg Finch (18:38.206)
Yeah, it's like seeing a 15 -year -old virtuoso guitar player singing the blues. You're kind of like, really?

Scott Harrison (18:44.63)
Hmm.

Scott Harrison (18:48.334)
Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, you can imitate it, but it's not, it's not really there.

Greg Finch (18:52.286)
So tell me more about your year in Southeast Asia. I'd love to hear more about that. Like the growth part of it, certainly where you were.

Scott Harrison (18:59.63)
Yeah, so, um...

Mm hmm. Yeah, so we just sort of, I mean, as I said, we'd always loved traveling. But we both had, yes, I said real jobs. So a lot of our traveling was, you know, two weeks here and there when you get holidays. And we sort of Yeah, we got to the point. So we don't have we don't have kids. But we got to the point my wife was like, all my friends are like, having kids and therefore they're getting this like maternity leave, they're a year off work and they're blah, blah, blah. And so we're like, why don't we just have our own?

version of that without kids and just have a year off and just go and backpack around Asia and see what happens. So that was the premise behind it. As well, a few years before we'd met, we were traveling in Laos and we'd met this couple. So I think we were 30 and we met this couple that were 10 years older than us. And I remember they were traveling, similar to, I guess, what we are now, like didn't have kids and they were traveling around and they wanted us to, we got along with them really well. And they said, oh, we're going here tomorrow. Do you want to come with us? And we're like, oh, we can't because we're

got a pre booked itinerary, like we're only here for like 10 days. And so we have to go here and then we have to go home. And they were just on this extended journey. And I remember after that trip, we're on our way home and me and my wife looked at each other like we want to be those guys. One day we want to be able to like go on a trip where we don't have to come home or we can just go someone can go oh, here's called want to go here and we can like, Yep, let's do that. So that was literally the premise of that whole trip. So that year we the first flight we booked a flight to Bali. And that was all we

did so we didn't plan any of it and we're just like, we'll just stay in each spot as long as makes sense. And it happened to be January at the time. So we got to Bali and it was rainy season. So like, I think the first five days, it just didn't stop raining. So we're like, that's cool. You know, let's just jump on a plane to Thailand. And so then we ended up in Thailand, landed in this little beach town and found this like a dog rescue shelter that was just nearby and they were looking for volunteers. And so we're both obsessed with.

Scott Harrison (20:53.972)
animals, sets with dogs and so we're like, this is incredible. So we started just working at this dog rescue shelter on this tiny little beach in the south of Thailand, like the other not the Phuket side where everyone goes on the other side where there's no one around. So we'd have this daily commute where we'd walk 30 minutes down the beach didn't see another person and then cut in and then that's where the shelter was. And then we'd work with these dogs all day and hang out, which is basically playing with dogs all day because you just, you know, read June, I had him because they've, you know, had trauma and stuff. Yeah, we did that for

I don't know, like a month or so. Um, and then we're like, okay, where do we want to go next? And so we just started tracking around to a few different countries. But what was interesting, like, cause we went to my wife's family is from Malaysia. So we went and stayed with them in Malaysia for a little while. Um, and so there's all these sort of standard places you would go, but then what was fascinating because of this, this whole unplanned trip, we were, um, we were somewhere one day and I was looking up just YouTube videos of different ideas, different things to do.

And I saw these people tracking to base camp at Everest. And so I started looking into it. I'm like, is this something like people can do? Or we just thought maybe we'll just go tracking into Paul. But then I started seeing these videos of these, you know, regular people that are like, no, you can get you can get to base camp, like if you can get there. And it so happened that one of my cousins had done some tracking before. So like, I rang him up and said, like, could we do this? And he's just like, yeah, it goes basically just use the thing is like, your feet won't get you there, your mind will. So.

if you want to go and do it as a challenge. And the worst thing you can do is just turn around and come back. So yeah, that was a fascinating story. So literally, we were in Malaysia, we didn't have any gear at all. We just had like singlets and board shorts and thongs to travel around, like, you know, to beach destinations. I went and bought a pair of hiking boots. And within a week later flew to Kathmandu, went through the main town bought a whole bunch of fake North Face clothing and jackets and everything. And we're

Trekking to Everest and so then did Everest Base Camp like 10 days after we thought about it. And so that was like one of our like, yeah, one of those amazing things that we did. Yeah, and then we went on to India as well. I had a friend that I lived with in London for a while who was a really like world traveler, like had been everywhere. And he always told me, he goes, you can't say that you're a traveler until you've been to India, because it's just such an intense place to travel around and like work out and everything. So we thought we'd have to go to India. So we went there.

Scott Harrison (23:20.334)
Um, and yeah, it's just a, just a really cool year. That's actually in India. We're in the north of India. Um, and we happened to be there to the town where the Dalai Lama lives when he's at home and he happened to be in town the time we were there. So we went and saw him speak and we went to a, um, like a, you know, like a day with him. It was all in Tibet and you didn't understand it, but it was just more like being in the presence, um, of him being there. And, um, yeah, that was the area where my wife found like Reiki, um, to learn. So she trained with a teacher over there and that kind of changed the path of.

of her career. And yeah, it was fascinating. It was just like these little things just sort of all came together. And um, yeah, I guess we got out of it exactly what we needed to. And so by the time we'll come at home, we're just like, yeah, we're not going back to our, our old jobs. This is what we're going to do now moving forward. And yeah, I guess, but probably to touch on one of the other things like you were saying before about having a career beforehand, because a lot of people always like, Oh, how did you start being a photographer? Like, did you save up like a year's worth of money? Or did you do this, blah, blah, blah. And like both of our things were no, we're just going to start.

doing it. But I guess in our mind, we're always kind of like, but if it doesn't work out, we're still probably employable. You know what I mean? I thought like, if I try the photography thing for a year or so, and it's just really not happening, then, like, I still feel like I'm probably employable enough to go back and get a job because of my experience that I'd had beforehand. So rather than financially, I guess just experience was the safety net to try something new. But

Yeah, so that was pretty much the journey of Ager and yeah.

Greg Finch (24:52.926)
What's, what's interesting about a two for, um, for a lot of people, it's that I, we could talk about fear, you know, over 25 podcasts, but this idea of this is, is again, back to kind of like the comparison idea of like geography, going outside something and seeing something different and being able to really identify like, how much do I really actually need? I don't mean stuff or financially. I just mean like.

Scott Harrison (25:05.452)
Mm -hmm.

Scott Harrison (25:13.676)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (25:19.116)
Mmm.

Greg Finch (25:21.886)
What does it feel like to experience not having very much comparative to my happiness? For a lot of people, fear or a handful of other things, they really don't have that barometer. So it keeps them into this place of either working this job that they hate or is just kind of unfulfilling because the fear of that unknown, they don't have anything to compare it to. So that like...

Scott Harrison (25:29.038)
Mm -hmm.

Scott Harrison (25:39.084)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (25:43.532)
Yep.

Greg Finch (25:51.674)
Kevin Kelly is like, he started Wired magazine and he has this great little, he's written several books, but he has this great little book that basically is just about, when he turned 68, he put together 68 pieces of advice to like give to his kids. And he did it every year after that for like a handful of years. And he put them all together in a book. And in one of the things, like they're all great, but one of them really steps out was this idea. Like when you're young for six months or a year,

Go live in a tent, go live in something that you have very, very little, so you understand what that is. So later in life, if you wanna take a chance on something, the worst case scenario you know is not that bad. And that's so, again, it's powerful, it's that idea of that.

Scott Harrison (26:26.604)
Mm -hmm.

Scott Harrison (26:33.26)
Mm -hmm.

Scott Harrison (26:36.736)
Yep.

Hmm. Yeah, 100 % Yeah. So we um, yeah, so when we were working our, you know, real jobs, keep calling them. Like we're both earning, like, you know, pretty good money, you know, I mean, like I was like, kind of, I was managing a team of like, you know, 20 sales staff, and my wife was like an assistant principal. So like, when we were living that life, we're both earning like a pretty good income. And we were younger as well. We're living in Sydney, which is a city. So we were spending, like people who

like earned a decent income, you know what I mean? And yeah, and we kind of like the same thing, like get going out and getting the things and you know, whatever, like not really thinking too much like, Oh, I need a new laptop, I'm just gonna go and buy without thinking about it and blah, blah, blah. So we did live that life for a little while. And yeah, we were probably fortunate. Like I didn't think others are like amazing with money and financial planning or anything, but we're fortunate enough that there became a point where we were earning this income. But then also we didn't realize that we'd racked up this credit card debt.

And there's a point in time when like we kind of were getting chased for like this debt. And we just both distinctly like remember this moment where we were like, calling on the phone, like trying to ring another bank to basically get a credit card to pay off this one. So it would give us more time. And it was just this, it's almost like this thing that like this moment in time that stuck with us. And so once we finally like cleared that up, it probably came in timing where we're like, you know, we want to change our careers and go and do this trip to Asia and everything. But we sort of just made a

an agreement then that like, we're never going to get ourselves into a situation where debt or anything like that is the reason that we have to do something, you know what I mean? It's like, always like live within whatever your means are. Now, if your means get higher, that's fine, you can have more stuff. But like, we never wanted a situation where we're like, it because we have this, that means we can't do something or, you know, we can't leave this job, or we can't try this thing, or we can't go traveling. And so that's just been our motto now for like the last five or six years. And it's um,

Scott Harrison (28:35.374)
Yeah, it's interesting because it's not always easy. Like when you quit a really good job and you start your own business, you know, there's a lot of, you know, eating two minute noodles and having to like change your lifestyle like dramatically for us. We're living this life of going out and eating at restaurants and blah, blah, blah. And then suddenly we're like going, no, we really need to wind this back in. Probably the, the year in Asia might've like helped that a little bit because we were just backpacking around Asia. So we'd probably just lived a year of like backpacking and living simply.

Anyway, like you said, with, you literally a backpack, that's all we had. So possessions and that kind of stuff wasn't a thing. And so it was off the back of that, that we like moved into this new kind of lifestyle. But yeah, it's definitely a, it's definitely a mindset shift. And yeah, it's not everyone. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I'm, I'm just feel glad that we, we had that moment where we kind of had that realization because, yeah, I know a lot of people now, like, once again, as I said, when I

either teach people or just have like coffee conversation with people and they're just like, Oh, how do you do what you do? And you just sort of talk to them about it. And they're just like, Oh, I wish I could, but I've got this or just got a mortgage or I just bought this new $60 ,000 car. They're going to pay off or whatever. You know what I mean? And it's like, yeah, it's just, it's a choice. Um, I mean, the one thing sometimes is like, we don't have children. So I do get that. I understand that like, if you have kids, then you've got responsibilities. So you've got to have some kind of, you know, reliable income.

coming in like to pay for that. So I'm definitely empathetic with that side of it. But as far as the side of the coin of saying, hey, I'm choosing to buy something that's expensive to make myself feel better. And then I'm stuck in this situation then that now I'm going to complain about and I can't get out of like that's something that I think yeah, be, you know, it'd be very freeing to pay for people to realize that it's, it's much more enjoyable, having choices and having the freedom to go on, you know,

chase something that you love than having the actual thing that you're stuck paying for.

Greg Finch (30:36.35)
Yeah. Well, that's, that's absolutely true because really what it comes down to it, you know, like I hear what you're saying, distinction with the kids, but that's just another aspect within there of the responsibilities that you have and the choices that you're making. Like you said, the $60 ,000 car, the boat, all of these things really, when it comes down to it, like wealth is only as far as I position myself for the idea of wealth and financial security is only for the choices.

Scott Harrison (30:47.854)
Yeah. Totally, yeah. Mm. Mm.

Greg Finch (31:06.27)
and options that it provides you. That's really it. And so that can always reset, you know, whatever those things are, making a choice to have that car. Okay, well it repositioned some of these things to where your options and choices are going to be affected by that. And that's what a lot of people, I think, if you look, they don't really see that as the whole, like an arc, right? They see it as individual choices. And then you're right. They get into this position where like,

Scott Harrison (31:08.622)
Hmm. Absolutely. Good job. Hmm.

Scott Harrison (31:19.34)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (31:23.404)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (31:29.55)
Yeah.

Greg Finch (31:34.59)
Well, I perceive that I don't have any choice because I have all of this debt. Well, you can choose to change that as you go forward and not keep making the same choice.

Scott Harrison (31:42.956)
Totally. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And then it's fascinating because then like because of our choices, we can do things like which we do often is like pick up and go and hang out in Bali for a month. And then suddenly you get all the messages like, Oh, you're so lucky. Like you're so lucky you get to do this. It's kind of like, no, it's a choice.

Greg Finch (32:06.846)
Right. Well, you don't and they don't see what it takes to do that, right? They only see that like, like you talked about, like not growing up with social media, same thing for me too. That was never part of this. And it, that's just, it's just a different aspect of getting little snippets into other people's best foot forward lives. Right. You see these things and you're like, Oh, I wish I could do that. But we, none of us really have an understanding of what it takes to make that happen.

Scott Harrison (32:10.798)
Totally, yeah.

Greg Finch (32:33.086)
You know, like, so for yourself, you're a month in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,

Scott Harrison (32:33.23)
Nah.

Scott Harrison (32:40.174)
Mmm. Mmm!

Scott Harrison (32:48.334)
Totally. And this

Scott Harrison (32:58.286)
Definitely. Yeah. But yeah, it's really it is a fascinating one because it's like there's so much personal work that you've got to do as well. Because if I could tell you the amount of times in the last five years that like both me and my wife have just gone like, this is ridiculous. Let's just go get a job. Because things go like when you got a business, it just goes up and down, you know what I mean? And it's like, to be able to push through those moments and the like the self doubt that comes in the, you know, this, it's something that you really want to do. And it looks all well and good when you're, you know, sending

pitches to your mates when you're in Indo, but the times when you're like in your home office and you don't have any clients and you sit in there going, how am I going to pay rent next week? Like they're the times that you've got to be able to get through in order to push through. And yeah, and we've pushed through like a lot of those, I don't get me wrong, like, but I mean, it's never, it's never secure, you know, I mean, it's not a fortnightly paycheck that someone else is giving you. So there's definitely a lot of work you've got to do on that mindset in order to be able to handle it. But um,

I think that's just always been something for me that I've been kind of fascinated with anyway. I think it's probably why I liked even just sales as a job because it was monthly targets and it was you're always kind of you were never there was never like a security kind of thing. And I think it's just more exciting. It's um, you know, you definitely have your down days with it. But the idea of it just not being regular not being the same thing every day, like not going to sit at a desk every day and just get your fortnightly pay and

and turn on like I just don't think I could handle it. So I think the the unpredictable nature of it is like what attracts me to to doing it even though it's there's plenty of days when you wish you had like, you know, a bit more security. But yeah, I think that's once again, probably why I like photographing the ocean as well because of the it's that I've always kind of when I've sort of thought about it, the unpredictability of it, like when you go to shoot waves, it's you can't predict it. It's like, even as a landscape photographer, you

Greg Finch (34:42.11)
It's.

Scott Harrison (34:55.438)
you can't judge the weather. But if you're going to go and take a photograph of a mountain, it's not going to move. So you can just set up set up your tripod and wait there for hours until the perfect moment and then take a shot. Whereas when you go shooting the ocean, you're completely at its mercy of what it wants to do at any point in time. And you just you have to be there and be ready for like split second moments. And that's where you can get these amazing moments in time that no one gets to see. And that's what's so fascinating about it. But I think it's that unpredictability that, you know, keeps drawing me back to it for sure.

Greg Finch (35:25.31)
So much of that is such a great analogy there to being on the other side of the lens as the surfer. There's so much of that, what you just said there is why surfing is so powerful for me in my life. It's that idea. It is so unpredictable. You can anticipate as best you can and information that you can get to make an educated guess. But when all is said and done, you have got to be there and you've got to be completely present.

Because if you're not, it's gone. And that idea of that, there's something so powerful about that, which just brings me back to it. It's probably very similar to you. Like I need to be right here and not be thinking about this other thing that I have to take care of because in a split second, I'm going to miss that shot. So I have to be right here. And that idea of presence, right? That's really what we're all seeking all the time. We just lose it so often.

Scott Harrison (35:55.596)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (36:16.012)
Yep.

complete presence. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. No, it's amazing. And I think it's like, the the present thing, like 100 % and also just the the photography thing that's been amazing as well. And once again, potentially something because it's been later on rather than early. So I've had a bit more worldly experiences. I've just been fascinated how it teaches you. There's a famous photography quote that says like photography teaches you how to see but what that

essentially means to me is like just the way that you look at things, the way you notice things more. So even when I go traveling now and visit a new place, I feel like I'm observing it with such a different like mindset. I'm like looking at it in different ways. And it's funny because there's sometimes people will be like, you know, because everyone's got a phone and a camera now. And there's this thing that like, you know, when people are traveling, it's like no one's experiencing the moment, they're all just taking photos, like at the moment. And that's probably true to some degree, maybe with phones, but on the other side of that coin,

I feel like also maybe, like I'm now observing moments in more detail and noticing finer things and different things because I'm kind of even when I don't have a camera, I'm looking at them through a, you know, a viewfinder in my mind kind of so there's I feel like sometimes like as a photographer now, like I notice things more and maybe appreciate things in nature like more because I'm so used to looking for that specific detail to capture with the camera. Does that make sense?

Greg Finch (37:48.446)
Yeah, absolutely. And to be able to break it down that way, because I guess it goes back to that idea of presence, like slowing down, like slowing down to be able to see that, whether it's the composition of that shot or just, you know, with a camera without just the ability to slow down your mind and your reflexes, just to see that. And that's, it's such a trick, right? It's so interesting. We had this, this is kind of a side view of the same thing, like,

Scott Harrison (37:55.534)
Mmm. Mmm.

Scott Harrison (38:10.126)
Yeah.

Greg Finch (38:18.078)
My wife and I were down in like a town just south of here and we were went out to dinner and we were driving back and between that town and our town is pretty wide open space and it's a it's a highway but it's surrounded by open space. And so we were driving you know just normal speed but it was nobody around dark and like she started to say do you see that deer.

And then there was like three of them like right on the road. And that time so just pulled out to where it felt like it was like five seconds of that. And it was a just a split second to be able to like hit the brakes and get around that outside deer. And like it passed within like six inches of our car. And again, we weren't speeding, but you know, miles per hour, maybe miles per hour.

Scott Harrison (38:49.1)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (39:02.294)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (39:09.838)
Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Greg Finch (39:15.07)
And it's just so interesting how like you have that there's in there, like that skill to be able time is elastic. It, when it's necessary survival wise, it does that. And it got me thinking after I calmed down and all the adrenaline got out of my system, like the next day I was thinking like, where's the medium of that? Like where's that happy place to be able to stop and be more present without it being.

Scott Harrison (39:20.972)
Mmm! Yep. Mmm.

Scott Harrison (39:28.622)
Yeah.

Greg Finch (39:45.086)
feeling like a life -threatening situation. And it's, I think it's a skill and it's like what you're describing. Like, how do you see these things more?

Scott Harrison (39:47.724)
Mm -hmm. Definitely. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. And I think it's, um, like, yeah, I mean, just the way the world is now with everything, like everything's short attention span. And I think just the, so like, basically, like anything you do, right? Like if you, if you want to meditate, for example, like you need to meditate every day to then like, for the practice to come in, you can't just go and do it one day and go like I'm sorted. And so it's like the practice and repetition of something. And so it's the same with like, so when I go and shoot the ocean, that means that.

for at least an hour or two hours or whatever, like every morning or the most mornings when I go out, I'm sitting there in a moment, like present enough, waiting for something to happen, being patient enough for something to happen. Like when I go and shoot backwash, for example, you could be out there for two hours and literally one time it could collide and that'd be the photo that then you have forever. So it's amazing, but you've been sitting there waiting for that for like two hours. And it's like that ability to be able to focus and concentrate on one thing.

It's lucky that it happens to be something that I love doing, but I think just as a practice, it's really, really beneficial like in the modern world where everything else is just like next thing, next thing, next thing to be able to have something that trains you to be able to sit still for that long. So.

Greg Finch (41:09.342)
Yeah, it's a muscle. It's a muscle that you have to train for sure, because it certainly is not all of the systems behind technology and social media and all of these things, not even to go in what's good, what's bad. The mechanisms behind it are we need your attention to speed up and get through as many of these things as possible to keep you here. I mean, that's just a very over -simplified mechanism of it. And to jump off that train and...

Scott Harrison (41:09.646)
Mmm. Mmm. Yeah.

Scott Harrison (41:24.972)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (41:30.19)
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Mmm, totally. Mmm.

Greg Finch (41:37.854)
have the discipline to do exactly what you're saying. That's it. It's something. This is like the old curmudgeon in me coming out. Like I want kids these days, you know, like I see it in my daughter. Like, you know, we need you to, I need you to do something that isn't fast constantly. I want you to have that skill, you know? So, so tell me more. Yeah. Yeah, go for it.

Scott Harrison (41:41.004)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (41:48.206)
Yep.

Scott Harrison (41:56.11)
Hmm. Yeah. Yep. Yep. But I mean, I think it Yeah, I think it has to be intentional. Like, yeah, like, I'm like, I'm on my phone as much as anybody like the rest of the time, because I basically run my business off it, like every, every business inquiry and everything I get is through social media. So like, I'm definitely not preaching, like, not phone stuff. But I think it's just, you just need intentional times. Like, if I go to the gym, I don't take my phone with me. Because I will that's an hour, where I won't.

be looking at it, whereas you go there and you see everyone else between sets of reps, everyone's like just like checking their phone constantly. So I think it just needs to be you need to set intentional times to say, I'm doing something else now for an hour or two hours because um, yeah, the rest of the time I'm as bad as everyone else.

Greg Finch (42:44.414)
But you're right, that intention, it's awareness. It's just to develop the skill to say, okay, this is the time that I'm not gonna do that part. So I'd love to hear, like, I know some of the things you're doing now is working with, you even mentioned it earlier, some people either on the newer side of photography or maybe don't have any skill set at all and they're coming in and you're helping, you know,

Scott Harrison (42:52.43)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (43:05.164)
Mm -hmm.

Greg Finch (43:10.654)
give them some of the fundamentals of photography. Talk about that. Talk about how you develop that. Talk about how that works. I'd love to hear more about it.

Scott Harrison (43:15.116)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (43:20.91)
For sure. Yeah. So I mean, it's one thing that I've been always fascinated with. Like when I picked up a camera, for whatever reason, I really wanted to know, like how it worked. So I kind of went and you know, I haven't had like photography lessons before, but I mean, you can find everything on YouTube. So I was just watching video after video, but I was still I was really fascinated about understanding, you know, like aperture and shutter speed and ISO and how all these things work together and like why the camera works. And as I said, like going out in the early days and just

taking photos and then coming home and then if one of them looked good, then going into the settings and saying like, why did this one work? Like what settings was this one? And then going out and trying that again. So it's just always something that when I came into it, I was really, I was really into. So I learnt like how to use a camera, like really well. And it was kind of like, I guess I sort of got to the point where I'm like, I want this to be like second nature. Cause if I can just basically operate the camera on autopilot,

then back to the other point, I can be way more present and ready to capture images in the moment. So I don't need to think about it. Like if there's a wave breaking down here, but then suddenly something happens over here, I don't want to be turning around and then spending the next few minutes trying to work out the camera settings. I need that to be as automatic as possible sort of thing. So yeah, it was just something I was always fascinated with. So therefore I kind of learn a lot. And yeah, I guess I've been...

I mean, maybe it's through work before I mean, both my parents were school teachers, my wife was a school teacher before she was a regular, so I've been around teachers a lot. And just through conversations I'd had with people, I'd just have been people that said, I really like the way you explain this or it makes sense when you do that. So I just felt like maybe there was a knack there for teaching in a way. And surf photography, particular because I guess all of the skills I kind of learned were probably more from landscape videos and stuff. There wasn't a lot of education around in

in surf photography, particularly, there's a lot of amazing surf photographers, but there's like, really probably only a couple of courses out there, where specifically people are teaching you, like how to take photos of the ocean or how to take surf photos. So I guess it was a combination of like something that I was passionate about, something where I saw a little bit of a gap. Ultimately, I want to continue to make a career as much around ocean photography as possible. Like, so I'm a full time.

Scott Harrison (45:40.782)
photographer. So you know, if you call it like Monday to Friday, I do a lot of work with like, like branding photography, I work with a lot of Pilates studios, yoga studios, like businesses like that doing their website photography, like in addition to my ocean stuff, as far as making a living, but the more and more it can push towards all being ocean related, the better. So that's why I kind of thought, well, I'll move into the teaching aspect. So yeah, I started just doing one to one lessons with people locally. And yeah, a lot of

Yeah, a lot of beginners. Probably one of the things I found was that a lot of people when they first get a camera, I think they need to shift to full manual, like too quickly to be it's almost like I've got a camera now the sooner I can get onto like all of the manual settings, then suddenly I'm like a pro photographer and cameras are so good these days that you almost don't really need to like I kind of I shoot like that now at this point, just because I've like shot for so long, but it's like, you know,

even like a couple of the auto settings on cameras these days are so good that they pretty much control the basics of exposure, which is what you really want. And so I became really passionate about seeing people almost felt like they're focusing on the wrong thing. It's like, I want to shoot in manual, but then when they take a photo, the there was no thought about composition. There was no thought about any of the like artistic elements that like make a good photo. So I kind of made it my thing to be like, look, I'll get you past this bit. But at the end of the day, even if you're shooting on auto mode,

composition, and all that sort of stuff is an understanding light is way more important to a great image than the manual settings that you shot it on at the end of the day, like essentially, as long as it's sharp and it's correctly exposed, then that's all that really matters as far as the the technical stuff goes. And then after that, it becomes artistic. And so I really wanted to kind of share that because that was just something that I don't know where it came from with me. But it was just something that always seemed to be the feedback I was getting in my photos was like, I really like how you're

you know, use the light in this or understand this part of it. So I was like, Okay, well, if there's something there, then this is something I can, I can share. So yeah, that's where it sort of began. And then just in recent times, through my work, I got into video work and work as a photographer. And I started making some online course stuff for my wife's business. And then one day I thought, well, why don't I just make my own and like, just share this? So yeah, I got a camera and sat down and yeah, taught it all to a camera. So that way now it can be.

Scott Harrison (48:04.206)
yeah, in online course form. So, yeah, people all over the world can, can buy and access it. And yeah, as I said, there's just not much out there specifically in the surf photography world for that. So just it felt like there was a, there was a space for it.

Greg Finch (48:19.07)
It's interesting. It goes back to what we talked about earlier is like the fact that you're on the East Coast of Australia, I'm on the West Coast of California, and we're having this conversation in real time. The ability to be able to educate and help support something you're passionate about with somebody on the other side of the world. It's just like, again, if you stop for a second, it really kind of blows your mind. But what a wonderful...

Scott Harrison (48:30.188)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (48:39.948)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (48:44.014)
It really does.

Greg Finch (48:46.398)
base and time that we're in to be able to do that. And of course, the flip side of that is that to get in front of them and to get their attention in this very, very fast world that we live in is something that you have to be very diligent and consistent about because we are, we're inundated constantly. And so to be able to keep their attention and really connect with them, that's...

Scott Harrison (48:56.14)
And in.

Scott Harrison (49:00.086)
Hmm.

Scott Harrison (49:04.014)
Yeah.

Scott Harrison (49:10.988)
Yep.

Greg Finch (49:12.126)
Well, it's a full -time job. It's what we both do in different worlds in a full -time job.

Scott Harrison (49:13.75)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally. But yeah, it's interesting because the one thing with Yeah, it really is like a mindset thing in both those sides of things. So in order to reach people in the first place, like you said, you have to be consistent in order to be consistent. As a photographer, in a social media world, you just have to be like not you just have to like not judge too much, you know, not judge and not compared, you know what I mean? Like you can't put out enough.

content, if you're constantly overthinking it. So I've always just taken the approach of I'm just going to continue to try and get better and just put out stuff that I like and just share it. But also, it's the understanding that like with the teaching thing, for example, rather, when you first go into something like that, like anything, any this new world stuff, like, and I don't come from a background of like my family were, like I said, they were teachers, so they weren't starting their own business, they weren't doing any of these things. So there's so much imposter syndrome that comes into everything that you do when you're trying to start something new.

Um, like by far, am I not even remotely close to being like one of the best ocean photographers out there? Right? So then you can like, well, who am I to teach something? But then you just come to the realization, well, you've just got to know enough that would be helpful to someone starting out and be able to deliver that in a way and to be able to offer it in the first place. Like I wish everyone had a course, right? Like I'd be stoked. Like if every, if every surf photographer in the world that I loved had an online course, I'd buy them all. Cause I think there's always something to learn from everyone. So.

I just took the approach of like, well, this is something that I would have loved five years ago when I was starting out. It's definitely helpful because it's literally everything that I learnt the hard way and searched the internet for and went and took photos and studied them for so I know it's something that works because at one point I didn't know how to use a camera and now I'm here. So if I can just literally share all of that, then it's got to help someone that's starting out. So it's like just overcoming that thing where, you know, you don't have to be the best in the world to be able to share it. You've just got to

have something to share that could be helpful to someone and then be willing to, I guess, yeah, put yourself out there and share it. And yeah, like you said, it's been amazing. Like now, yeah, I have people everywhere, like all over the world, like, you know, buying like a course to like learn photography and, you know, writing me messages, going, Oh, thanks so much. I learned this thing and blah, blah, blah. And it's just like, it's, it's incredible. Yeah. And it's something that, yeah, like I said, growing up in the world that we grew up in, like it wasn't even fathomable. That was a thing. Like, you know,

Greg Finch (51:41.918)
Like the fact that like we run our businesses a majority of time on this little tiny thing that is in our pocket. I mean, it sounds so corny, like it dates us to say it that way, but it's so true if you stop, like it blows your mind. I guess it's to keep that, to keep the awe about that, you know, to, again, to be able to be present and to be able to utilize these technologies without them overwhelming.

Scott Harrison (51:53.774)
I know, but it's true. Yeah.

Yep. Yeah.

Scott Harrison (52:03.948)
Mmm.

Greg Finch (52:09.822)
or distracting you from the other aspects of life that are available there for you. It's like balance like anything else. It's awareness, it's presence, it's utilizing these things in a healthy way. That's, I guess that's life.

Scott Harrison (52:16.174)
Yeah. Totally.

Scott Harrison (52:24.31)
Mmm.

I feel very fortunate to like it. Um, I feel like that we're at a, an age like being like, you know, being 40, like at an age where your childhood was completely not run by social media. Like I wasn't using the internet until I was at university. Right. So my whole school, like growing up childhood, all of that time was like, you went to school, you went home, you didn't know what was going on with anyone else. If you wanted to go and catch up with someone to go to the beach, you rang them on a landline phone and you went and met up with them. Like it was just, it was.

That was amazing, right? And then, but then we've been able to live enough of our adult life where we've been able to pick up the benefits of the technology. You know, for example, like my parents are kind of, they're of old generation. So they struggle with a lot of technology. And if you're a young person, like my nieces and nephews, they're literally just growing up being bombarded with it all. I feel like in the formative years of my life, I didn't have to deal with social media, which I then think that now.

as an adult maybe helps you approach it in a more calculated way.

Greg Finch (53:31.294)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think in that we had the same kind of arc, that idea of not having to deal with that when I was a child. And it's not like, well, you can't have this. This didn't exist. So you have, I have these memories of like going and being a gone summer from literally the after breakfast to all the way till night. And it's so interesting.

Scott Harrison (53:32.14)
Mm.

Scott Harrison (53:39.5)
Hmm.

Scott Harrison (53:44.566)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (53:48.79)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (53:58.766)
Mm, totally.

Greg Finch (54:00.83)
My wife and I have this conversation about our daughter. Like we want to keep her safe. Of course, is what it is. It's this overriding thing, of course. But you're like, so like she has a phone where we can see where she is, but it's the idea of not hovering over every aspect of her life. Like our only job is to get her ready, not to need us. I mean, that hurts. It pulls your heart out when you think it that way, but it's absolutely the truth. Like you need to be able to live your life without us.

Scott Harrison (54:06.446)
Of course.

Scott Harrison (54:18.23)
Mmm.

Scott Harrison (54:21.742)
Oh no, right!

Scott Harrison (54:29.39)
Yeah. Yeah.

Greg Finch (54:30.142)
and hopefully you'll include us in it.

Scott Harrison (54:32.846)
That's what I love about my daughter being a dog. She'll always need us.

Greg Finch (54:35.422)
No.

Yep. All immediate. It's all right there. Hey, Scott, thank you so much for joining us on the Surf Strong Show. It's been really awesome. It's really great to get to know you a little bit more and all the things that you're doing. And we'll have links up for all your online courses and where for people to find you. And yeah, thanks for taking the time and being on the show with us.

Scott Harrison (54:44.398)
Yeah, yeah.

Scott Harrison (54:50.798)
No worries.

It's super fun.

Amazing.

Scott Harrison (55:02.83)
No worries, yeah, I really enjoyed the chat. Yeah, it was super fun. Yeah.


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